hgsubversion on windows

Who likes mercurial? I do. Lately, I even started using mercurial as a client for subversion repositories. Let me describe the hgsubversion installation steps that worked for me; on my laptop that is boldly supplied with The Only Right operation system…

I heavily borrow from excellent entry by Ben Collins-Sussman and from outrageously diligent post by Dave Cameron. I want to focus on the smallest possible installation routine on windows. Also, I want to emphasize that you don’t have to build anything on windows. All the prepackaged installables or binaries are ready, waiting for you to grab them.

Oh right, here are the steps that worked for me:

  1. Install mercurial (TortoiseHg)
  2. Clone hgsubversion
  3. Configure hgsubversion extension
  4. Start cloning svn repos!
  5. Understand the gotchas
  6. Stay happy

1. Install mercurial (TortoiseHg). I installed TortoiseHg (mercurial + tortoise). Your cmd should nicely take: hg version.

In theory you can install different Mercurial client. However, there is a huge advantage of installing TortoiseHg: you don’t have to install python, svn python bindings & make your Mercurial use it. All because TortoiseHg comes with python+svn bindings (thanks Afriza for a hint!).

2. Clone hgsubversion:

hg clone http://bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion SomeFantasticFolder

In my case SomeFantasticFolder is c:\projects\open-source\hgsubversion. At the moment I cloned hgsubversion the tip was the changeset 500.

3. Configure hgsubversion extension. Add extensions to your USER_HOME/.hgrc, which on windows is Documents and Settings\SomeFabulousName. In my case SomeFabulousName is sg0897xxx (after years in IT industry I’m still just a number…). Note that hgsubversion is duplicated at the end – that’s fine. Your .hgrc should contain something like:

[extensions]
rebase=
#do not quote the path if it has spaces!
svn=c:\projects\open-source\hgsubversion\hgsubversion

Your cmd should print enabled extensions at the bottom of the screen when you do: hg help extensions

4. Start cloning svn repos!

Instead of cloning repos with “hg clone” I suggest to “hg pull” instead. Pull is better because it can continue in case something breaks (cloning very large repo can takes hours).

hg init example
cd example
hg pull http://example-for-hgsubversion.googlecode.com/svn example-for-hgsubversion

5. Understand the gotchas.

  • gotcha 1. If svn requires authentication, you may be asked to enter user/password… 3 times. Don’t worry, just enter correct credentials patiently. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. (update) Augie Fackler, the mastermind of hgsubversion points out svn+http or svn+https can be used to work around this gotcha
  • gotcha 2: After updating changes from svn (hg pull, hg update) never use ‘hg merge’, instead use ‘hg rebase’. Merges are not yet supported by hgsubversion I heard. If you accidentally do hg merge you probably have to rollback the merge in order to push.
  • gotcha 3: (new) From my experience it is better to clone entire repo, not only trunk. Cloning trunk worked for me but I noticed exceptions thrown during unsuccessful rebase. Working with full repo clone was smooth for me so far.
  • gotcha 4: (new) Commands you should know:
    hg help svn
    hg rebase --svn
    hg svn info
    hg svn rebuildmeta
    
  • last gotcha: I’m not a mercurial expert so feel free to comment & give feedback. Also, newer (different) versions of before mentioned installables should work as well. If links to binaries are dead then get creative and google for it – I don’t guarantee all links will work forever.

6. Stay happy. Are you kidding me? You know what to do =)

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228 Responses to hgsubversion on windows

  1. Regarding gotcha #1, you can use svn+http or svn+https to avoid the multiple-authentication problem. Not elegant, but the best we’ve come up with so far.

  2. Hi,

    everything looks just fine for me but I think you missed one tiny important thing in this post, namely answering the question “Why?”.

    Why the “Rydzyk” should I use mercurial instead of my Eclipse SVN client (or TortoiseSVN). Why the hell should I clone my repositories? Any reasonable explanations/use cases for this?

    Thanks,
    Przemek

  3. szczepiq says:

    @Augie

    Thanks for info – I will update the gotcha #1

    @Przemek

    Haha, good point. What can I say? I guess there is an important prerequisite to the hgsubversion installation guide: liking Mercurial & preferring distributed SCM =)

  4. Phil says:

    @Przemek

    Several reasons:

    1) Using SVN as your “blessed” repo.
    2) Allowing some team members to use DVCS if they are comfortable with the concepts whilst others can still use SVN clients.
    3) To allow you to work in a disconnected environment (logs, diffs with previous versions, rollbacks are now all possible if, say, travelling by plane with no internet connection).
    4) Investigating if DVCS is really for you without potentially losing some revision history whilst you try it out.
    5) Allowing existing automated processes (e.g. a build/deployment system that pulls from SVN) to continue working as is whilst everyone else moves to DVCS.
    6) If you’re stuck on a version of SVN < 1.5 to allow easy branching and merging without having to pull your hair out. Even if you have SVN 1.5/1.6 it's still easier in mercurial than in SVN IMHO.

  5. Przemek Bielicki says:

    Hi Guys,

    thanks for your responses.

    That makes sense – and I think I even use some of these concepts i.e. I’m having my own SVN repo installed on my laptop and I suppose that here the idea is to merge my local changes with some distributed SCM from time to time so that others can see my changes. In the same time I don’t need any network because I have my own SVN.

    I have to take a look a Mercurial then :)

    Thanks!
    Przemek

  6. wes says:

    finally tried this, seems to be working but the clone is really slow :(

  7. szczepiq says:

    Right, the clone is slow. It took ~1 hour for Mockito that is fairly small repo. I’ll add a gotcha about it.

    Extenuating circumstance: you do it only once =)

  8. wes says:

    i am new to hg as well but is there a way to clone the repo and only get the latest N versions?

  9. Phil says:

    Hi wes, that’s currently not possible but is on their roadmap for the future. A possible way to do it would be a mercurial->mercurial conversion on a selected commit range.

  10. Phil says:

    Cloning SVN repos is indeed fairly slow. The convert extension is slightly faster, especially if you are running it on a local SVN repository via the file:/// uri scheme, but over a network you are relying on webdav which is very, very slow (which, by extension, makes Subversion slow).

  11. wes says:

    thanks Phil, I was using a different way of using hg where I had a local hg repo that I pushed to and then only a final version was pushed to svn. this was much faster but only the latest version goes to svn so not as good. i will deal with speed since it is only on the initial clone.

  12. Afriza N. Arief says:

    Hi,

    I followed the instructions partially and installed SilkSvn (added to path), and Python2.5.4 (not added to path). I didn’t install python binding when i realized there are several libsvn* files inside my “C:\program files\tortoisehg\library.zip”. I continued from the step about hgsubversion and everything seems to work fine!

  13. I am using TortoiseHg 0.9 by the way.

  14. szczepiq says:

    I think you’re right! I will test it with the latest TortoiseHg and update this post. Thanks a lot for the hint!

  15. padcom13 says:

    If speed is not the issue here (as mentioned a number of times already in the comments above) you might also give Bazaar a try. It comes with a built-in capability to work with Subversion repositories so the installation part is not an issue anymore.
    Additionally Bazaar is one step ahead of Mercurial as it allows you to work in a distributed or centralized fashion at will. What you do is you can “bind” your local branch to the Subversion server and use Bazaar as a regular Subversion client (centralized-way) or unbind the branch and have it like in Mercurial (distributed-way).
    I use Bazaar for everyday work as a replacement for Subversion client and it has been extremely stable so far.

  16. szczepiq says:

    Actually, I used bazaar-svn before hgsubversion. Although bazaar integration with svn is better than hgsubversion, I kind of didn’t like working with bazaar itself. However, I encourage to try out bazaar-svn and use whatever fits you well =)

  17. Tibi says:

    When importing a big repository you’ll likely run out of memory during the initial clone.

    The workaround is simply to stop the process before it does and to go on with hg pull.

    See http://bitbucket.org/durin42/hgsubversion/issue/110/memory-leak

  18. Tibi says:

    I’ve tried Bazaar-svn in the meantime, it is nice and really ahead of hg-svn.
    But I stick to hg-svn because Bazaar-svn is way too slow on big repositories with lots of revisions.

    Also the hg “repository explorer” is much better than the Bazaar Explorer. Actually the later is easier to use for everyday tasks, but lacks the advanced functionalities of hg explorer: shelve, mq, bissect.

    Tortoise hg’s commit dialog is also better: it has the diffs right there in a panel; that’s handy when you have lots of modified files with just a few lines changed.

    Overall, everything is faster in hg.
    But Bazaar has some nice stuff not in hg: directories are versioned, svn is integrated, multiple shelves are possible (like hg attic) and more.

  19. szczepiq says:

    I had pretty much the same experience. bazaar-svn / hg-svn both have pros & cons but eventually I’m using hg-svn, even though bazaar has some reasonable advantages.

  20. TimeHorse says:

    I have some advice,

    Since it is impossible to do: “1. Install svn command line client and put it on path. I downloaded, unzipped and PATH’ed svn 1.6.5.”, since the link to subversion is dead and Tigris refuses to provide their own windows command-line binary and the 4 that that do list, no of them work for the purposes of this tutorial, you should change step 1 to read: “1. Forget about it. It’s now impossible. I’m sorry for getting your hopes up. Install cygwin and pretend you have UNIX and just follow the Linux Instructions.”

    That’s my advice.

  21. Just install TortoiseHg and skip installing SVN command-line-interface & Python if you want to quickly use hgsubversion.

    unless you really need the SVN CLI or Python binaries for some reasons.

  22. TimeHorse says:

    If I do that, when I run hg help extensions, I get “*** failed to import extension svn from “*SomeFantatsicFolder*\hgsubversion”: [Errno 22] Invalid argument”

    Seems to me with this error, python’s svn bindings are required but I have no idea how to add them.

  23. What about:

    1) ensure the path you enter in the mercurial.ini is the one having __init__.py inside (it’ll probably be something like “C:\opt\hg\hgsubversion\hgsubversion” note the double hgsubversion)
    2) clean up the environment path with `set PATH=C:\Program Files\TortoiseHg`

    Python runtime, svn-python bindings&libraries are already inside TortoiseHg’s folder

  24. szczepiq says:

    It was clearly written that installing-svn step was not necessary. I removed it now so that there is no confusion. Therefore cygwin is not really necessary (thanks god!)

    If you still have problems installing – read *carefully* Afriza’s comments or read *carefully* the steps again :) Understanding basics of mercurial plugins is also helpful – refer to mercurial wiki.

  25. TimeHorse says:

    I use the root path with the __init__.py module in it; I even forced the path to include TortoiseHg and only TortoiseHG. I still get that error. It’s not a case of not following the instructions; this is a fresh PC; only bought it Sunday. The problem is everyone here has done some implicit step on a mature machine that I have not done because this machine is new. When Mercurial fires up python to run HgSubversion, it tries to import svn and this fails because it can not find that module. That is the issue.

  26. TimeHorse says:

    Oh, and haven’t already mentioned that you *can’t* install the python bindings in Mercurial *any more* because the Subversion folks have taken down the page where they used to make these available. You probobaly got those when they were, but now they’re not, namely here:

    http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91

  27. szczepiq says:

    I don’t know what the problem is :/ You can get more help on hgsubversion mailing list

  28. You _do not_ need python bindings for svn and you _do not_ need svn command line.

    They already come within TortoiseHg.

    No, I did _not_ download python bindings. I also changed to a new PC recently (the last few months) and I only need TortoiseHg for Windows + hgsubversion clone + do some config.

  29. I mean, the python runtime + svn-library + svn python bindings are already bundled within TortoiseHg installer.

    * svn command line interface is not bundled though

  30. TimeHorse says:

    Okay, let’s try this; which version of TortiseHg are you guys using? I installed 1.1.3 (x86); I did not install a command line or any other version and I did manually set the path and this didn’t work. So, could the issue be that the latest Hg removed the subversion bindings and this is why it works for you guys but not for me?

    Also, because I used clone, my HgSubversion is the latest as of 2 days ago (haven’t pulled since download). Should I revert to an earlier version?

  31. TimeHorse says:

    Okay, forget TortiseHg for now; I can confirm it has the python-svn bindings against svn version 1.6.6, a fairly recent revision. Why, when it tries to initialize HgSubversion it fails to import svn is beyond me. It should be running in the context of the python shell defined for Mercurial but fails in the way I described. Seems that only 2 steps are required in theory since you don’t need a stand-alone python any more than you do SVN, but since I’m a python hacker since before 1.5, I like having it around. I just wish I could start an interpreter in the Hg Context or at least have it print out more well defined debug and traceback messages.

  32. It seems like you want to hack on mercurial/tortoisehg/hgsubversion.

    In that case, please refer to their wiki/mailing lists.

  33. TimeHorse says:

    Ah, if only. Well, sir, what I really want is these thing to work out of the box; but in this world, that’s too much to ask. So I have no choice but to debug my butt off and work on 3 hours sleep because I need this to work. Hours and hours spent; how do you think that makes me feel, especially to be taunted. But whatever, when and if I can find a solution I will post it here so that no-one ever again has to suffer like me.

  34. TimeHorse says:

    And here it is:

    Add the following to step 3:

    If your path contains spaces, don’t worry, the .hgrc can handle that. Do not enclose your path in quotes; this will cause the module to fail to load. Just write your path exactly as:

    svn=*SomeFantasticFolder*/hgsubversion

    The hint should have been that the error message had the path in quotes, when the error generated does not quote the path, however I doubt anyone would notice that subtlely. Usually paths that contain spaces have to be quoted or escaped, so intuition would suggest quotes are necessary so I believe the instructions should make this point clear.

  35. Marius says:

    Could you please provide more detail on this step? What do you mean by svn+http(s) ?

  36. You might want to take a peak at the »subversion« help topic. It should mention the many caveats and gotchas of working with hgsubversion…

  37. Oops, I didn’t notice how old this blog post actually was; sorry ’bout that…

  38. Anonymous says:

    I believe he means this:
    1) In your root folder open .hg/hgrc
    2) Make sure that default = is set to a URL with svn+ prepended, EG default = svn+https://www.foo.corp/svn/source

  39. d3j409 says:

    Yes, but in version 2.1.2 there is no .hg/hrc file! Now what?

  40. You can edit this file by going to HgWorkbench – Setings – Extensions

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  48. Nijee says:

    Im using 20.0.1105.0 and it seems that im having alot of cociontnen and browser support problems. For example when I try to go to facebook.com the link will either send me to this URL (www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser)or just not work. Also, even though Im logged in on the Chrome Browser with my Google Account, it keeps kicking me out of the account and then it wont allow me to sign me back in. The other website seem not to work also, causing me to reload the page about 5 or 6 times to get them to work. The reason why I believe its this browser is that on Firefox, Safari, and Opera, these problems arent happening with the cociontnen or browser support.

  49. Mihail says:

    I actually like the new tab btuton without the plus sign…it adds little to nothing on helping users figure out what that btuton does. Leaving it off gets a contrast distraction out of my way so I can more easily browse.If you know that’s a tab btuton already, then it’s not helping you. If you don’t know it’s a tab btuton then what, you know it’s going to plus something since there’s a plus sign there?… useless

  50. Edgar says:

    Isn’t even any new features in Chrome 7 from what i can see. I thguoht the point of the 6 week cycle was to get features to people faster. Looking at the number of features that keep getting bumped up repeatedly (side tabs, smooth scrolling, print preview etc.) i wouldn’t hold your breath for version 8 to have anything new either.

  51. Rudinei says:

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  52. Hortencia says:

    I’m getting a bit anynoed with the unexpected removal of UI, too…Though at least the time-travel issue on rainwave.cc was fixed before they took out the “go” button, so my main problem is that I go to click on the “go” button, only to remember that it’s no longer there, and then I have to move my mouse all the way to the opposite end of the window…Another thing I’ve noticed is that the menu item to report a bug in the rendering of a webpage seems to have disappeared entirely.

  53. Carol says:

    A small problem with Google Maps when using Chrome which seems sitghlly unlogical considering both are made by Google.When in certain zoom levels, a grey strip appears at the bottom of the map, blocking out some of the map. It is deeply annoying and makes the map considerably smaller. The map also will then take longer to load and the bar will sometimes get bigger.This doesn’t happen all the time but it does happen on My Maps. Please fix it Google! – why does it happen?

  54. Alesson says:

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  55. Kuba says:

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  56. Adrianakarla says:

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  57. Schwebender says:

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  58. Victor says:

    I have to confirm all the three prbomels mentioned before (Error 324 showed up fortunately very seldom). Problems with graphics could be solved by deactivating “GPU Compositing on all Pages” on about:flags. (Sorry, but – this might be the reason – you should not forget that there are lazy laptop producers like Acer who don’t grant graphics drivers updates, e.g. for my ATI Radeon HD 2300 since 2008.) – Thumbnails: Originally Chrome only showed old thumbnails except for two which remained empty. After trying to fix the problem by moving out (or delete)”top site” and “top sites journal” from default folder all the thumbnails are white now; means they weren’t renewed for a longer time before. (all on fully patched Vista)

  59. Maria says:

    In the last 2 dev channel raseeles, the popups for extensions (for me, Google Reader Notifier and Neat Bookmarks) don’t close after I click on an item in the popup window. The popup used to close when I clicked somewhere on the chrome of Chrome.Also, in this release single letter search engine keywords don’t seem to work. It’s just a preceding letter entered into the default search engine string. Multiple letter keywords seem to work fine.

  60. Diego says:

    One of the last 2-3 builds has palriatly broken LastPass, in that I’ve started getting “Lastpass was unable to contact the login server” periodically on every machine running the dev channel. Hopefully this will be figured out and fixed soon. This happened some time back and was eventually fixed.

  61. Brenda says:

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  76. Turkay says:

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